manual hubs vs. full time

"JohnDF" wrote: As you are finding out, one decision leads to another and the price tag just keeps rising. Have a plan, stick to it and be patient. Otherwise you'll be paying to re-do some stuff; like not putting lockers in at the same time you re-gear will cost you two set-up fees and the cost of a carrier.

For my black jeep, I know that I want an air system, ARB lockers, 4:88 gears, and I'll also need a module to reprogram the computer. Since I do not want to pay for re-doing anything my plan is to gather the parts in my garage until I have everything I need and then have somebody install everything all at once. This gives me time to shop for deals and probably save on labor costs.

I agree 100% and under normal circumstances, I'd do the same thing. Like I was saying to Carl earlier in the thread, going larger on the tires has done a number of "unfriendly things" that I'd not foreseen and I'm concerned about it costing more to run the way I am currently, than pay to set up the front axle twice. Replacing a transmission or such will be much more costly and I may get no warning of imminent failure.

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"TomD" wrote:
Also, I'm going to need some help building a parts list to complete the D30/D44 hybrid using those knuckles so I can put together a budget.
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You will need:



The knuckle

spindels

hubs

rotors

calipers

locking hubs

outer shaft

I think conversion u-joints

I've been looking around the web and really I think I would only do the 30/44 hybrid knuckle instead of doing a hub kit. It will still be at least $500 for the knuckles but all other parts can be sourced for around $500 or less. Otherwise you could buy a whole dana 44 for $250 and build it with your savings.



It seems we have gone full circle so buy a dana 60. :rasta:

"finder_87" wrote: I've been looking around the web and really I think I would only do the 30/44 hybrid knuckle instead of doing a hub kit. It will still be at least $500 for the knuckles but all other parts can be sourced for around $500 or less. Otherwise you could buy a whole dana 44 for $250 and build it with your savings.

It seems we have gone full circle so buy a dana 60. :rasta:

I've been doing a lot of looking for a front HP D44 and come up empty. Except those that have already been built professionally.

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"TomD" wrote: I've been doing a lot of looking for a front HP D44 and come up empty. Except those that have already been built professionally.
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I'll sell you mine...



HPD44, High Clearance Tera center section with HD diff cover, 1/2" tubes, HD steering and knuckles, ARB locker, 5:13 gears, Stage 8 spindle locks, Superior chromoly axle shafts, CTM U-joints (these things don't break!), Warn premium hubs, Chevy disc brakes, and it's bolt-in for an XJ. This is the most 'blinging' front D44 out there and is strong enough to survive very hard wheeling with 38" MT/Rs. And it has much better clearance than a big 'ol D60 😏



If you buy soon, I'll throw in a matching rear High Clearance Tera HPD60 axle with 1/2" tubes, Disc brakes, Dutchman lifetime chromoly axle shafts, 5:13 gears, and ARB locker.



But wait there's more...



You will also get a Tera Low upgraded transfer case with 4:1 gearing. Perfect for rock crawling and steep climbs.



But wait, you say you don't have an air system to run the lockers? I'll throw in a York air system with a 2.5 gallon tank. Anybody can tell you how nice a York air system is for running lockers and airing up tires very quickly.



With all the above items your XJ would be ready to "ROCK" in short order. How much do you think you'll have to pay for all those items seperately? I can tell you from experience that the labor alone would cost thpusands of dollars, and the parts seperately are a fortune.



If you buy from me, not only will you get all the above items ready to throw into your vehicle tomorrow, you'll get a free set of almost new 38" Kevlar MT/R tires and alloy wheels to match the 5 0n 5.5 bolt pattern on the axles. Shoot, that alone would cost you a couple of grand.



Buy today for the one low price of $12,000 dollars and I'll throw in a well used Jeep Wrangler tub for nothing, custom roll cage and winch and bumpers included...

"JohnDF" wrote: [quote="TomD"]I've been doing a lot of looking for a front HP D44 and come up empty. Except those that have already been built professionally.
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I'll sell you mine...



HPD44, High Clearance Tera center section with HD diff cover, 1/2" tubes, HD steering and knuckles, ARB locker, 5:13 gears, Stage 8 spindle locks, Superior chromoly axle shafts, CTM U-joints (these things don't break!), Warn premium hubs, Chevy disc brakes, and it's bolt-in for an XJ. This is the most 'blinging' front D44 out there and is strong enough to survive very hard wheeling with 38" MT/Rs. And it has much better clearance than a big 'ol D60 😏



If you buy soon, I'll throw in a matching rear High Clearance Tera HPD60 axle with 1/2" tubes, Disc brakes, Dutchman lifetime chromoly axle shafts, 5:13 gears, and ARB locker.



But wait there's more...



You will also get a Tera Low upgraded transfer case with 4:1 gearing. Perfect for rock crawling and steep climbs.



But wait, you say you don't have an air system to run the lockers? I'll throw in a York air system with a 2.5 gallon tank. Anybody can tell you how nice a York air system is for running lockers and airing up tires very quickly.



With all the above items your XJ would be ready to "ROCK" in short order. How much do you think you'll have to pay for all those items seperately? I can tell you from experience that the labor alone would cost thpusands of dollars, and the parts seperately are a fortune.



If you buy from me, not only will you get all the above items ready to throw into your vehicle tomorrow, you'll get a free set of almost new 38" Kevlar MT/R tires and alloy wheels to match the 5 0n 5.5 bolt pattern on the axles. Shoot, that alone would cost you a couple of grand.



Buy today for the one low price of $12,000 dollars and I'll throw in a well used Jeep Wrangler tub for nothing, custom roll cage and winch and bumpers included...

Is it big enough to sleep in? I may have to. 😁

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"TomD" wrote: Is it big enough to sleep in? I may have to. 😁
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The seat reclines...

Do doors come with it?

"finder_87" wrote: Do doors come with it?

They do but they don't close right. 😀

...are you serious about selling your Jeep?

Hey John. We both have 38" tires on 9" rims, correct?



If so, let's measure the ground clearance of our front axles. I'm curious the difference between the 44 and the 60. I'm guessing about 1/2", plus or minus. I can measure mine in my garage. If fact, I'll go do it now and post here - hang on - - Ok, the minimum ground clearance on my front is exactly 12.5"...



I'm guessing yours will be about 13"?

"Bender" wrote: ...are you serious about selling your Jeep?

No, I haven't considered selling it. But if somebody was to wave a bunch of cash in my face...

"BKGM Jeepers" wrote: Hey John. We both have 38" tires on 9" rims, correct?

Ok, the minimum ground clearance on my front is exactly 12.5"...

I'm guessing yours will be about 13"?

14" at the lowest point. Probably not that far off of a D30. 😎

I thnk you were measuring over dirt, wher you could push the tape down! 😂 1.5" is more than I expected from a 44 to a 60. My JK 60's were almost an inch better than my TJ 60's.

Ya, the Tera has rediculous clearance. Rob was pretty shocked by it too.

Maesure your rear 60 and let's see what the difference is?



I'll get on it!

Looks like it is past due!

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You might want to pull your spindles and check the axle shaft spindle bearings to see if they need to be replaced or grease. They are a pain to punch out if they fry and heat weld in to the spindle. I know by experience!!

"Path 88" wrote:





You can take them home and rebuild them over and over and over........

hey tom

i was thinking aboub throwin cj front axle in my xj

havent taken any measurements yet

i know wen up in canada i cut the yj in half for a trailer and threw the axles in the 82 cj i had

i like the idea of manual hubs

even wen i had my broncos id switch to manual

I believe that CJ axles are more narrow than XJs

And the pumpkin is on the wrong side.

Both narrow and wrong side. Also, CJ housings are weaker and the brackets are leaf spring, while XJ's are coil.

forgot about that