Strawberry Update???

Guest · 2013-02-20T20:30:54-08:00

So I was cruising around on Pirate today and came across this: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/usa-nort ... years.html Which lead me to these: http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/eldorado/ ... RDB5362046 http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 410354.pdf http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 410077.pdf http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 410080.pdf Which lead me to this from the Preferred Alternative. The LRMP would not be amended for the routes as proposed in Alternative 1: 09N01, 09N08, 09N82 (16E26), 09N83 (19E01), 09N95, 10N01, 0.5 miles of 10N13 (Schneider Camp Road), 6.8 miles of 10N13 (17E73; Strawberry Cr. 4WD trail), 10N14, 10N21 (16E27; Long Canyon 4WD trail), 10N98, 11N23F (16E33), 11N26F (16E21; Barrett 4WD trail), 11NY32, 14N39, 17E16, 17E19, 17E24, 17E28. Instead, these routes would continue to be part of the NFTS but would not be designated for public motorized use and identified on a Motor Vehicle Use Map (MVUM) until the routes are in compliance with Standard and Guideline 100 as it pertains to meadows. This alternative identifies these routes for future corrective actions, but does not analyze the actions necessary to bring each into compliance with Standard and Guideline 100. Corrective actions would be proposed and analyzed as part of future NEPA analyses, as funding to implement corrective actions becomes available. After corrective actions have been analyzed and implemented, the route would appear as a designated public motorized road or trail on the next revision of the MVUM. What's the difference between the Preferred and Proposed Alternatives? Looks like the Proposed Alternative keeps things open with an Amendment but the Preferred ties things up in more permitting? What are they planning to implement? So confused.

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#120 Feb 2013, 8:30 PM
So I was cruising around on Pirate today and came across this: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/usa-nort ... years.html

Which lead me to these:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/eldorado/ ... RDB5362046

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 410354.pdf

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 410077.pdf

http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOC ... 410080.pdf

Which lead me to this from the Preferred Alternative.

The LRMP would not be amended for the routes as proposed in Alternative 1: 09N01,

09N08, 09N82 (16E26), 09N83 (19E01), 09N95, 10N01, 0.5 miles of 10N13 (Schneider

Camp Road), 6.8 miles of 10N13 (17E73; Strawberry Cr. 4WD trail), 10N14, 10N21

(16E27; Long Canyon 4WD trail), 10N98, 11N23F (16E33), 11N26F (16E21; Barrett

4WD trail), 11NY32, 14N39, 17E16, 17E19, 17E24, 17E28. Instead, these routes would

continue to be part of the NFTS but would not be designated for public motorized use and

identified on a Motor Vehicle Use Map (MVUM) until the routes are in compliance with

Standard and Guideline 100 as it pertains to meadows. This alternative identifies these

routes for future corrective actions, but does not analyze the actions necessary to bring

each into compliance with Standard and Guideline 100. Corrective actions would be

proposed and analyzed as part of future NEPA analyses, as funding to implement

corrective actions becomes available. After corrective actions have been analyzed and

implemented, the route would appear as a designated public motorized road or trail on the

next revision of the MVUM.

What's the difference between the Preferred and Proposed Alternatives? Looks like the Proposed Alternative keeps things open with an Amendment but the Preferred ties things up in more permitting? What are they planning to implement? So confused.
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#220 Feb 2013, 8:56 PM
I have no idea. I'm confused!

Kathleen and Brad
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#321 Feb 2013, 8:56 AM
Me three

Um...what?
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#421 Feb 2013, 9:17 AM
Maybe George can call Kyle to get the latest Scoop? Or, this may be what the USFS intends to discuss at our March meeting?

Kathleen and Brad
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#521 Feb 2013, 3:27 PM
What huh???? I'll make some calls
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#69 Apr 2013, 5:44 PM
Posse got called out by Karen Schaumbach.

http://ohv.parks.ca.gov/pages/1140/file ... h-2013.pdf

Her comment on the DSEIS:

G12-02-03-P02-

Strawberry 4 Wheel Drive Trail Meadow Mitigation Planning

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It is premature and pre decisional to consider this proposal. The SEIS is still receiving comments on the draft. The description of this trail is incorrect. The portion of the trail with a high degree of difficulty is beyond the capability of most vehicles and requires a modified 4x4. Birders, photographers and wildlife viewers access these meadows on foot, not vehicle. The trail would need to be relocated in its entirety to truly mitigate the impacts to Strawberry Creek and the meadows. The application gives no indication of the amount of use the trail gets, to justify the cost of mitigation. The current “adopters” have allowed the trail to become severely degraded; the only indication the trail is adopted is signs saying so. The proposal shows pre-decisional bias, assuming this route will be re-opened, as evidenced by the fact that there is no corresponding restoration grant application, in the event the route is permanently closed in the SEIS Decision.
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#79 Apr 2013, 6:08 PM
I wonder when she was last on the trail?

Um...what?
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#89 Apr 2013, 6:40 PM
I'm curious to know her definition of "degraded" trail. Oh yea....where there is a glint of H20. 😏
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#99 Apr 2013, 6:42 PM
That is total BS! 😏
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#109 Apr 2013, 7:00 PM
She's done this before. The real issue is the vision of what the trail should look like. We manage it as a 4x4 trail (similar to the Rubicon). Her vision is a dirt road (similar to every other dirt road in the Forest).
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#119 Apr 2013, 7:30 PM
Her basis of birdwatchers coupled with access using a stock vehicle is flawed. The point to of bird watching is not to disturb wildlife is it not? Therefore, hiking is the preferred method. Now..."how much" hiking would be the next metric to interrogate.
Tom Subscriber
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#129 Apr 2013, 7:51 PM
Hmmmm ... who s**t in her mess kit?

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#139 Apr 2013, 7:54 PM
"TomD" wrote: Hmmmm ... who s**t in her mess kit?
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If you're not familiar with who she is you really need to do some looking into it. Her's is a name everyone associated with any hobby other than hiking should know.
scoped Subscriber
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#149 Apr 2013, 8:20 PM
Wow!! I don't even know what to say
Tom Subscriber
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#159 Apr 2013, 8:22 PM
I did a quick Google search. Very revealing. She is a piece of work, that's for sure.

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If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu