2:58 am
Just a heads up: There's been a lot of activity over on the Pirate4x4 board in regards to some pending legal decisions that may impact Deer Valley and Strawberry. (possible temporary closures which could ultimately lead to permanent closures (worst case))
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... st14191700
I'll be following along closely and try to have more info for our April meeting at 4Wheel Parts.
This legal process has been going on for a number of years now so its difficult NOT to regurgitate old info as new, please feel free to chime in if you have any info.
3:34 am
Club President
April 2, 2003
Offline Did you contact the USFS and ask for a status update from them directly?
I think we need to step into the discussion with them and be prepared to demonstrate the committment we have provided to the trail over the past (nearly) 10 years...
3:55 am
"BKGM Jeepers" wrote: Did you contact the USFS and ask for a status update from them directly?
I think we need to step into the discussion with them and be prepared to demonstrate the committment we have provided to the trail over the past (nearly) 10 years...
I just read the thread for the first time this evening and was already planning to contact the USFS tomorrow morning to request the most recent update and status. The thread covers 38 trails possibly affected and heads off on multiple tangents. I'll step into the thread once I speak with the USFS tomorrow morning letting them know of our commitment to Strawberry and the work we've done in cooperation with the DOF over the years.
All are welcome to chime in as well.
4:05 am
Club President
April 2, 2003
Offline Sorry George. I have been in Salt Lake City the past few days and didn't do much on line so I wasn't paying attention to when this posted.
Let me know what response you get from the USFS.
Thanks...
4:13 am
No worries Brad! Salt Lake City, now there's a crazy town! 😛 Glad you survived and are home safe...
I'll give an update tomorrow.
2:35 am
Thanks for keeping an eye on it. I've totally lost track of most of the land use stuff.
3:17 pm
Keep an eye out today: http://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/.....ts-notices
The Forestry Service is working towards posting a bulletin today (or in the next couple of days) concerning recent activities in regards to 42 trails in the Eldorado National forest. Any and all comments you read on other boards are purely speculative until we are able to read the official notice.
7:17 pm
January 27, 2011
Offline FYI: At the site that George references above, you can receive ALERTS from their RSS feed almost as soon as the site is updated update. The only lagging factor would be how often your system updates (mine is set at 30 minutes).
This way, you don't need to keep one eye on work and the other on the website.
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If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
11:35 pm
Here is a link to the notice just posted:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/eldorado/ ... RDB5362068
I'll be bringing more information to our meeting next week at 4Wheel Parts. Also, I spoke with Ranger Lester Lubetkin today. He has offered to come to our club meeting in May to dicuss the latest activities.
1:53 am
January 27, 2011
Offline Well, that just sucks eggs.
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If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
2:08 am
May 4, 2004
Offline "Bender" wrote: Didn't look good. 😥
x2 👿
4:41 am
Club Member
January 19, 2011
Offline Not good. I just got to know that trail.
Another example of environmental overreach.
Semper Fi
1:35 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline The part that sucks the most is those are the best easy and moderate trails around. We would only be left with two trails to run; Rubicon and Fordyce. I see it as going to be more of a reason to 'pave' the Rubicon and over-crowd Fordyce.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
2:26 pm
"JohnDF" wrote: The part that sucks the most is those are the best easy and moderate trails around. We would only be left with two trails to run; Rubicon and Fordyce. I see it as going to be more of a reason to 'pave' the Rubicon and over-crowd Fordyce.
The guys at FOTR (Friends of the Rubicon) are scrambling to figure out the best way to handle the expected influx of wheelers. The Forest Service is considering posting alternate OHV trails in neighboring forests on their website. The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City, or provide poker runs, things like that; anything to keep interest in the sport, yet relieve traffic on the few remaining local trails.
There is optimism that these “hard” closures are just an interim measure until environmental impact studies can be completed and submitted, then reviewed by the judge and a new ruling is issued.
2:49 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline They should already have enough environmental impact studies...This has been going on for years.
Why don't they do an environmental impact study that compares Strawberry Creek Canyon Pass Trail with Interstate 80 👿
I used to wheel a lot. . .
2:53 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline "gamfam" wrote: The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City
This will be the only way to wheel in the future...Mark my words.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
3:44 pm
Club Member
September 3, 2008
Offline Time to sell the rig.
Um...what?
4:04 pm
Club President
April 2, 2003
Offline So how many trails did the discuss opening at this meeting? Any discussion on exploring new trails that meet the environmental restrictions? If the "environmentalists" were truly that, wouldn't they be seeking solutions which meet the needs of everyone rather than their own agenda?
There are actually lots of trails behind my cabin, and MANY that are overgrown becuase they were closed for several years and then re-opened. If we wanted to go cut back a bunch of brush we could make several fun and challenging trails re-usable. That would be a completely legitimate option given the fact that all they are doing is closing stuff currently.
4:38 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline "JohnDF" wrote: [quote="gamfam"]The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City
This will be the only way to wheel in the future...Mark my words.
Oh wait...Didn't they also close Frank Raines OHV Park?
I used to wheel a lot. . .
4:39 pm
Club Member
January 19, 2011
Offline "JohnDF" wrote: [quote="gamfam"]The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City
This will be the only way to wheel in the future...Mark my words.
I for one John hope that you are wrong.
If club members have not signed up with the California Association of 4WD Clubs Inc you should. This organization helps to fight for the little guy in Court on matters such as this.
Semper Fi
4:49 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline On a positive note...
At least I can go fishing anytime or anywhere...Wait...Nope
At least I can go hunting...Wait...Nope
I can go shooting...Wait...Nope
Spend money...
There we go, we can spend a lot of money on our hobbies and generate a lot of tax revenue. We just can't use the equipment we purchase.
So we can spend money on new guns...Wait...Nope
I used to wheel a lot. . .
4:51 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline "Josh" wrote:
If club members have not signed up with the California Association of 4WD Clubs Inc you should. This organization helps to fight for the little guy in Court on matters such as this.
Don't get me started on Cal4Wheel...I'm in a bad enough mood as it is 👿
I used to wheel a lot. . .
2:10 am
"JohnDF" wrote: [quote="Josh"]
If club members have not signed up with the California Association of 4WD Clubs Inc you should. This organization helps to fight for the little guy in Court on matters such as this.
Don't get me started on Cal4Wheel...I'm in a bad enough mood as it is 👿
I'm with John on this one. Based on my personal experience I couldn't recommend Cal4Wheel to anyone. Times may have changed but they certainly haven't shown me they're worth the annual dues.
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