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I went and looked at a Juggy
June 10, 2012
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What do you guys think? I wouldn't have to worry about body damage or anything. Lol!

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June 10, 2012
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What are the specs for how much?





June 10, 2012
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What are the specs for how much?





June 10, 2012
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Dana 60 front, 14 bolt rear 5.89 gears locked front and rear. Full hydro, bilstien coilovers in the front, air shocks rear, Dana 300 twin stick, np435 tranny and an amc 360 v8. Beadlocks and 44" swampers.

I took it out to prairie city today for a test drive. Went straight up the pipes first try. This Juggy makes giant rock piles look like a gravel lot.

I can't post the price. To good to be true and I don't want anyone stealing it. I'm still debating if I want it. It's a blast to drive. But it can't touch a street. I might miss my jeep too much. I'd need a tow rig and a trailer.

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June 10, 2012
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Steal it. Seriously? lol

June 10, 2012
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Your info is safe with me. I have no inerest in a trailer queen! mr-green

Rob has the only pic of me in TQ attire. lol

June 10, 2012
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Let's just say, it's less then $5k

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June 10, 2012
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Shut up....less than 5k? If you don't want it let me know.

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June 10, 2012
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Good luck Greg as it seems like a deal.

Then it's just the tow portion speed bump. You've always wanted a Cummins right?

June 10, 2012
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Deal fell through. The kid got cold feet and says he isn't ready to sell?

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June 11, 2012
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I went to prairie city on Saturday and drove the buggy all over the place. Then I went back today with the owner to make the deal. Deal fell through, and I spent a few hours dinking around in my jeep. I will say, I've never been big into the trailer queens, but man my jeep was a let down. I couldn't take any if the hard lines on anything. I kept getting hung up on rocks that the buggy didn't even notice. I guess that's the difference between 44s and 37s.

I definitely have the juggy bug. Seeing Rob's and having an opportunity to drive this one. I'm really bummed the kid backed out. I guess I my have to make my LJ into a buggy.

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June 11, 2012
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I don't know if you guys are reading this thread or not, but the guy just texted me with a $200 dollar increase of what my initial offer was for it. So I guess it's back on the market.

I don't know what to do. I really enjoyed driving it. I'd love to buy it but then I'd have to let the LJ go. My wife said I can't have two rock crawlers.

Would the posse disown me if I had a trailer queen?

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June 11, 2012
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I've been reading but haven't had much to contribute. The decision to go with a trailer queen versus a streetable vehicle all depends on how you want to do your four wheeling. Personally, while I think the buggies are very cool, I still prefer a streetable rig.

June 11, 2012
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I am buying a trailer next weekend, I just don't trust mine on the street any more. Too many times I've drove home with a broken control arm hoping the other one holds up. Or a steering system that wanders, pulls, and death wobbles. Or a tire that got plugged on the trail. Or a wheel that broke. Or a driveshaft that's just holding on. The list goes on, but the main point is that I've put 10 years of hard wheeling on my Jeep and it's just not that road-worthy any more and I don't feel like dumping a bunch of money into it to make it better. So, trailer queen for me for a majority of the runs any more. I don't have any issues with it, I've wheeled everywhere I've wanted, I've driven my Jeep to all of them, it's time to ride to and from the trails in comfort now.

I used to wheel a lot. . .

June 11, 2012
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It's definitely fun to drive to the trail, but I agree with John, it's amazing to ride in comfort to and from the trail, and them not worry about the broken or beat up rig.

It's a big decision. I'd have to change my whole fleet. Hmmm.

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June 11, 2012
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"JohnDF" wrote: I am buying a trailer next weekend, I just don't trust mine on the street any more. Too many times I've drove home with a broken control arm hoping the other one holds up. Or a steering system that wanders, pulls, and death wobbles. Or a tire that got plugged on the trail. Or a wheel that broke. Or a driveshaft that's just holding on. The list goes on, but the main point is that I've put 10 years of hard wheeling on my Jeep and it's just not that road-worthy any more and I don't feel like dumping a bunch of money into it to make it better. So, trailer queen for me for a majority of the runs any more. I don't have any issues with it, I've wheeled everywhere I've wanted, I've driven my Jeep to all of them, it's time to ride to and from the trails in comfort now.

Voice of reason and peace of mind. mr-green Mark

June 11, 2012
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My jeeps have always been comfort to and from the trail! My new jeep can cruise all day at (above) the speed limit on 38's with no problem. My snazzy new interior is pretty cool too.

While "trailer queen" has an implied meanning, John can still drive the Fordicon run with his "Trailer queen". That's different from other rigs. It looks like your proposed rig could be streetable as well, if need be.

Like Fred, I prefer a streetable rig. This stems from my early experiences on the Rubicon. I mainly used to run with buggy owners so I was stuck "in and outing" the Rubicon. In fact, I'd been on the trail more than 20 times before I ever got past Buck Island. My first time through was awesome and it stuck with me. There are times (like watching Rob and John run little sleuce) that I'd like something more, but it comes down to trade offs. That being said, my new jeep is a lot more driver friendly than my TJ was.

June 11, 2012
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If I had endless money, I would keep my current rig street able and capable. But I'm poor. I want to have fun wheeling. That's what it's all about. I like the care free attitude of no worries it's not my daily driver or I trailered here.

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June 11, 2012
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"finder_87" wrote: If I had endless money, I would keep my current rig street able and capable. But I'm poor. I want to have fun wheeling. That's what it's all about. I like the care free attitude of no worries it's not my daily driver or I trailered here.

What's not "capable" about your current rig? It's surely "streetable" since I see it all over Folsom! What's missing? You've already got a 44 up front. Maybe a 60 in the rear? Any other mod is just incremental upgrades. You've got the lift, wheels and tires + the wheelbase.

I was daily driving my TJ on 33's the first time I ran the Rubicon, and I ran the TJ on 37's with a D30 front end the next 10 or so times I was out there. I would consider both versions of my TJ builds both streetable and capable, but neither was fully built.

You always have the risk of system failure and any rig. The one time I was trailered, my failure came when I shut my jeep off after airing up. It wouldn't re-start. I was strapped by John for 40 miles while Rob ran home and grabbed his trail rig. Once we reconnected I was trailered home so I could go through the jeep, find out it was a $12 part and fix it. You just never know.

I'd be very happy if I had an LJ like yours.

June 11, 2012
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"finder_87" wrote: If I had endless money, I would keep my current rig street able and capable. But I'm poor. I want to have fun wheeling. That's what it's all about. I like the care free attitude of no worries it's not my daily driver or I trailered here

I think you need to look at the "total cost of ownership" and decide if the additional expense is a good trade off for the fun you will have with your rig. Knowing that there is deminishing returns as things get more expensive.

Total Cost would include - Truck to pull trailer, Trailer to hold JUGGY, repairs to JUGGY when you beat on it. (its tough not industructable) Nice larger components mean larger expenses when they break. 44" tires cost a lot more than 37s. And you have to compare that to the increased enjoyment of ownership. If when you go willing now its a 5/10 experience and this new JUGGY will make it a 10/10 then you have to weigh that against the expense. If now is pretty great 8/10 and the Juggy is better 9/10 you have to ask yourself is this nominal increase in enjoyment worth the expense. You also need to consider the downside of the new situation. If you can just go outside jump in the Jeep and go vs. hitching up the trailer and all that may entail (storage off-site) parking/space challenges. Does this make it less enjoyable and yet more expensive.

I know a lot of people who own boats that don't use them because the "hassle" of getting the boat from storage and loading it in the water and then putting it back in storage are too much trouble for the day of fun on the lake. The last thing you would want is to wheel "less" because its more of an effort to do it.

I personally would love to have a custom Buggy but would not trade my Jeep to get it. Moab would not have been half as much fun if everyday I had to load and unload a buggy. Not to mention of all the trails I saw and ran there were only a handful of "optional" lines I could have taken that I didn't.

Lastly, I would say make sure you are getting a vehicle that does what you want to do. Its fun to run up to Prairie City for an afternoon or up to Wentworth Springs or Strawberry. If these are the places you go is the JUGGY going to make those places better or possible prevent you from going as often and being kinda board when you get there. Sometime I wish I had a slightly smaller tire, not all the time, but every now and then. Part of the fun is the challenge on the trail. But that is my opinion not everyone feels the same way.

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June 11, 2012
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Haha!! I know I sound like a whiny baby. My jeep is great. I have no complaints. I just like wheeling the hard stuff. I'm just at the point of spending more money on the jeep and it always makes me look around at what else I can have. I need new tires and it's time to armor up the jeep.

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June 11, 2012
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You could always off the LJ buy and build something older and build it streetable with better hardware and less worry of damage. Mark

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Huck- you make good points. 44" tires for strawberry? Who wouldn't want that?

Skorch- I have thought about that. But I think at the stage I am at building something would cost more.

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June 11, 2012
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"skorch" wrote: You could always off the LJ buy and build something older and build it streetable with better hardware and less worry of damage. Mark

I don't think the economics would work out for a change like this. The loss Greg would take on this LJ's (expenditures vs. re-sale value), coupled with the cost of buying an older rig and, again starting a build would likely cost more than sitting with what he's got and upgrading what he's currently missing. Plus, it's his wife I usually see driving the LJ around Folsom so she'd need to be happy with the older rig (AC, comfort, etc.).

I just think the LJ offers a great balance of wheelbase, comfort and capability. I'd build from that base.

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I can understand that. What works as a street legal wheeler, typically does not make a good second vehicle. mr-green I do not daily drive mine but have no problem driving it to and from trails that are less than a couple of hours away. By today's standards it's a budget build. Mark

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