11:49 pm
I'm sure this debate has been answered many times, but I need a way to air myself up. Powertank vs. an on-board air set-up. What are your thoughts. Any concern about having a pressurized tank in the cabin of the Jeep?
I'm running Ox lockers, so I don't need the air for an ARB. Just looking to air up and maybe run tools.
12:04 am
Both Rob and I just converted to a York. I've got a used CO2 tank that I'll make you a good deal on if you're interested. It's just sitting in my shed take up space. If you go CO2 I'd expand your search beyond Powertank. All the tanks are pretty much the same (aside from paint). You're paying for the regulator and there are plenty of good choices.
This is essentially the CO2 system I have: http://www.ultimate-air.com/XT-Series-H ... _p_14.html.
Where do you live? When I lived in Rancho CO2 was a quick easy fill. Up here it's a bit more pricey and takes a while.
What is your budget?
12:25 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline York...end of thread 
I used to wheel a lot. . .
1:03 am
July 15, 2005
Offline X2!!! Been there done that...York all the way!!!!
"Bender" wrote: Both Rob and I just converted to a York. I've got a used CO2 tank that I'll make you a good deal on if you're interested. It's just sitting in my shed take up space. If you go CO2 I'd expand your search beyond Powertank. All the tanks are pretty much the same (aside from paint). You're paying for the regulator and there are plenty of good choices.
This is essentially the CO2 system I have: http://www.ultimate-air.com/XT-Series-H ... _p_14.html.
Where do you live? When I lived in Rancho CO2 was a quick easy fill. Up here it's a bit more pricey and takes a while.
What is your budget?
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1:04 am
July 15, 2005
Offline I was really trying to figure a way that I could argue with you on this like your wheel 😈 but I can't, so I have to agree a million times over
"JohnDF" wrote: York...end of thread
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1:25 am
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July 10, 2003
Offline Now what fun is that?
I used to wheel a lot. . .
1:45 am
"JohnDF" wrote: Now what fun is that?
Fred's not a York fan (for valid reasons). Not everybody likes them. Plus, CO2 can be very reasonably priced.
1:47 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline What reasons? I think it's hard to find a down-side to the York.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
2:11 am
January 12, 2007
Offline "JohnDF" wrote: What reasons? I think it's hard to find a down-side to the York.
The down side for me is coughing up the money. I want OBA bad, but need other stuff first.
3:33 am
"JohnDF" wrote: What reasons? I think it's hard to find a down-side to the York.
As I remember it had to do with the serpentine belt and an experience he had where a failed york essentially rendered a friends vehicle inoperable. If a York were the only real solution Brad would run one. 
You haven't always been a true york believer:
My comparison of the York vs the ExAire shows me that the ExAire is a good investment. I'm sure my York will outperform the ExAire in the long haul of filling all 4 tires. This was just to show that the ExAire is a good way to go for those wanting to run an electric compressor. My buddy also runs air tools in his garage and his ARBs on his Jeep with it. I wouldn't hesitate to get one for my rig. Two thumbs up.
http://www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/sh ... p?t=296250 
4:01 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline Now I have Alex AND you stalking me 😯
As I said in that post, there's nothing wrong with the Extreme Aire. But, the York out-performs it.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
4:57 am
"JohnDF" wrote: Now I have Alex AND you stalking me 😯
Your user name is too easy to google. 😀
5:00 am
July 15, 2005
Offline I would have to agree with everyone here. The Extreme Air is a good compressor. The York is a luxury item that you pay for (It is like a Lamborghini and a Volkswagen. They will both get you there; one will just get you there a heck of a lot faster).
There are many compressors out there that do a fine job of filling up tires. I like my York because I can run continually run air tools without having to stop and let my tank refill. If filling tires was the only thing I was using my York for then I wouldn't have spent the money on it. Since I seem to do a fair amount of on the trail repairs for myself and others, the air tools became a necessary luxury. Hand wrenching sucks in the dirt
CO2 was great when I ran smaller tires. My 10 gallon tank would fill twelve 37 inch MTR's from 8 to 27 pounds. With the 40 inch tires I was lucky if I could fill 7 tires. That didn't work because there are many times when I run two trails in a day and need to deflate and air up twice in a day. I couldn't do it with my CO2 anymore.
CO2 is fast and you can easily set a tire bead with it, but you can run out. Having both CO2 and an on-board system would be nice.
I think just about everyone in this club runs a different type of On-board air system and they have all proven to be good. Pick from any they mention and you wont go wrong. It just comes down to how much you want to spend. We all have our own preference of what we like.
I run both a York compressor and an electric on-board compressor for my ARB's. If one fails, I always have a way to fill my tires.
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12:42 pm
May 4, 2004
Offline "Bender" wrote: [quote="JohnDF"]What reasons? I think it's hard to find a down-side to the York.
As I remember it had to do with the serpentine belt and an experience he had where a failed york essentially rendered a friends vehicle inoperable.
Yep, that's what happened. The connecting rod inside the York broke through the side of the case and snapped the crankshaft. So then the pully couldn't stay straight and the serpentine belt wouldn't stay on. Without the serpentine belt the engine doesn't run too long.
When the Yorks are working correctly they're the next best thing to sliced bread. I just like that my Extreme Air compressor is independent from my engine.
1:08 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline That is a legitimate reason. Thanks for sharing. Luckily, I haven't had that problem in eight years of use.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
3:10 pm
"RobD" wrote: I would have to agree with everyone here. The Extreme Air is a good compressor. The York is a luxury item that you pay for (It is like a Lamborghini and a Volkswagen. They will both get you there; one will just get you there a heck of a lot faster).
I put my York in for roughly the same price as an Extreme Air compressor, but I built my bracket, tapped the existing fittings instead of buying new ones, used some hose and fittings I had around, and bought a junk yard york. I think Richard got off even cheaper by using a bunch of parts from an old compressor to control a junk yard york.
3:32 pm
July 15, 2005
Offline My Kilby York cost me about $1050.00 doing the install myself..I think John paid around $1500.00 for his but had someone else install it. Extreme Airs run anywhere from about $450 (12 volt) to $600 (Magnum) for the compressor and then add in all the fittings, tank, manifold, etc, and you will be in the $7 to 900 range
"Bender" wrote: [quote="RobD"]I would have to agree with everyone here. The Extreme Air is a good compressor. The York is a luxury item that you pay for (It is like a Lamborghini and a Volkswagen. They will both get you there; one will just get you there a heck of a lot faster).
I put my York in for roughly the same price as an Extreme Air compressor, but I built my bracket, tapped the existing fittings instead of buying new ones, used some hose and fittings I had around, and bought a junk yard york. I think Richard got off even cheaper by using a bunch of parts from an old compressor to control a junk yard york.
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4:08 pm
My York was around $65 from Pick-n'-Pull. The steel for the bracket was a birthday gift. The welding was free... well... some beer. I ordered about $425 in stuff from Kilby (manifold, filters, gauge, etc). I could have gone cheaper but I wanted to make sure I had pretty high end components with a few bells and whistles.
All you really have to have is some sort of manifold and a pressure switch (a pressure pop off is probably a good idea too).
I mounted the manifold/gauges/switches on a bracket I built out of stuff from around the house. I had the hoses, hardware, and fittings laying around. I paid a guy $10 to tap the York fittings since I didn't have a tap big enough. I had to buy a belt, but that wasn't much since I don't have a serpentine belt. All told I think I'm about $500, maybe $550 into my York. I don't have a tank but, I'll find the right deal on one and add it in the future. Rob's extreme air prices are conservative in my book.
Cut a few corners (or get stuff from somewhere other than Kilby - which you have to now 😀 ) and you could beat my price in a heartbeat. I'm not sure how the Jeep bracket would work out so that could add a few bucks. I would guess that you could get a york in for half of what I spent (in a Toyota) if you were willing to work at it. I'd be real curious to hear if Richard has a ball park number on what he spent.
4:32 pm
Club Member
January 20, 2009
Offline There are also different Viair kits that include tank and compressor in the $300 - $500 range. I have the Viair Ultra Duty kit and run my ARBs off of the tank. Air up time is slower than the York or ExtremeAir. With my 35s airing up to 30psi the first tire takes about a minute using the air in the tank and then the other 3 are about 4-5 minutes per tire. I've had it over a year with no issues.
4:39 pm
May 4, 2004
Offline "kevheb" wrote: There are also different Viair kits that include tank and compressor in the $300 - $500 range. I have the Viair Ultra Duty kit and run my ARBs off of the tank.
This Viair kit is what we put into Don's Jeep too. It's a good kit and seems to be a good value.
4:45 pm
Club President
April 2, 2003
Offline I think I paid about $700 for everything on my extreme air, but I made my own brakets and used the front bumper as an air tank.
I run an ARB compressor on my black jeep and have a Warn Powerplant to air up.
9:00 pm
If you want air compressor from Kilby you might want to do it now. Sounds like they are closing their doors after August. 🙁
12:52 am
Wow! Thanks for all the feedback everyone. $1000+ for air is starting to look like other mods will come first, but I may check into the Viair option. If I can cap out at $500, that'll fly. I may just need to be patient on the fill times.
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