12:31 am
All I have is my LSD in the rear and open front. I'm thinking in the near term I'd want to start with a locker up in the front. Ideally a selectable kind, however there are so many variants out there. I haven't picked up on all the terminology. In my mind and I'm not sure if its the best application for my fullsize, but ARBs seem a good choice. This is only from reading primarily personal preference type reviews. This component is a relatively high dollar one. Part of me thinks I should ease into this area by trying various ones, starting on the cheap. Learn advantages/disadvantages, etc. I have nothing to support such a notion. Hence, any chance of pointing me to general articles about lockers that may present information about the pros/cons of various kinds? Or if you have straight up suggestions, then please do. Yes, I've got to see first hand Path 88s ARBs.
Plan is to maybe get one of these in before end of the year, I hope. Maybe my thinking here is just all wrong and welcome your feedback.
Thanks
1:33 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline ARB 
I used to wheel a lot. . .
1:55 am
I wouldn't spend my money more than once on this one. Go selectable right off the bat. Especially in the front. I've had a fully locked rig that wasn't selectable and it's crazy scary in the snow. More steer by throttle than anything. It got to the point that I wouldn't drive it to work on snow days because I just wasn't comfortable driving it in the snow. In the snow the lockers got me into more trouble than they got me out of. 😀 The rear would also bind up every now and then on the pavement and when it broke loose it was quite a bang. 
My old Cruiser had a 60 rear with an Eaton e-locker and it was a decent unit. I'm not sure why they never really caught on. Way cheaper than the ARB since there was no compressor and more reliable since it was just a couple of wires and no air hoses to leak. Not sure if they're even still around. ❓
2:20 am
January 12, 2007
Offline ARB
3:11 am
Club President
April 2, 2003
Offline ARB X4 - that's what I have.
4:12 am
January 22, 2011
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I would do Arb as well. Thats what I run. What you need to think about is what trails you plan on running and what size you want to be. Is the dana 44 going to be a good choice to put that money into or would you like to up grade axles first before putting money into gears and lockers. There is a lot of experience around just keep asking questions and come up with a build plan.
4:36 am
May 4, 2004
Offline I'm with the ARB group. I did something else first (twice) and learned my lesson.
PS, I've got a Dana 44 Detroit locker I'd sell for a good price if you decide to go that direction.
5:08 am
@Bender -- Thanks for the shared experience. Exactly what I'm looking for in tips.
@Path 88 -- indeed excellent points and I have no idea of the trails I'd like to target as of yet. I gotta get out there get some under the belt.
@all -- how many ARB endorsements will qualify for a discount on a purchase? 😛
@FAM -- I will get to researching what that one is!
5:17 am
January 27, 2011
Offline Good thread ... I'm having the same discussions starting with whether to keep or upgrade my existing axles.
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4:40 pm
I'm getting caught up on basically what everyone else already knows about Ram 1500s (94-01).
No ARB for the Chrysler 9.25. However, there is for the AAM 9.25, which is 3rd generation and beyooooond. Hence, Path 88s D60 swap-in, was that right?
My partial mind is set to put in an ARB for the D44 front. Keep the usage to "moderate" trails. Would be relying on the expansive experience here of what that could mean as time goes on.
Stay tuned.
btw FAM - is that locker just for any D44? Any link to it?
5:07 pm
"Wh1t3Nukle" wrote: btw FAM - is that locker just for any D44? Any link to it?
Here's the basics on the Detroit locker. http://www.eaton.com/Eaton/ProductsServ ... PCT_221432
I'd be surprised if they didn't have one for your application. They're just about everywhere. It's actually what I had in my Toyota.
5:56 pm
May 4, 2004
Offline "Wh1t3Nukle" wrote: btw FAM - is that locker just for any D44? Any link to it?
My understanding is this locker could be used in any D44 although there are different part numbers for different gear ratio ranges. I used it in a custom D44 rear end built by Foothill Offroad, with 4.10 gears. It's my understanding this locker should work with ratio's of 3.92 and lower (numerically higher). It's been a while since I looked but I believe its for 30 spline axle shafts.
11:04 pm
So Eaton bought Detroit?
Thanks for the link Bender.
FAM, seems that would be applicable as have 4.10. What model number would it be? Mileage? Condition?
3:30 am
May 4, 2004
Offline "Wh1t3Nukle" wrote: FAM, seems that would be applicable as have 4.10. What model number would it be? Mileage? Condition?
I've got it tucked away for safe keeping. It will take me a day or two to have the time to get to it to see if there's a part number on it. I don't have any original packaging to check for part numbers. I can only estimate the mileage on the locker but I'd say maybe 20k miles. As far as condition goes, I'd have to say its in good condition and I never had any problems with it. It worked great off-road where I actually prefer it over the ARB. I ended up replacing it because it just wasn't appropriate in the rear end of my short wheelbase Jeep for street driving. In a heavier, longer wheelbase vehicle it would probably be fine.
Fred
3:46 am
January 27, 2011
Offline I'm still trying to get my head around the $$$ of re-gearing to 4.56 and selectable locking front and rear. More than I paid for my XJ when I got it.
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2:57 pm
"TomD" wrote: I'm still trying to get my head around the $$$ of re-gearing to 4.56 and selectable locking front and rear. More than I paid for my XJ when I got it.
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What gears are you currently running? I read your entire build thread, which was darn awesome, and couldn't find it. 😯 My wife says I may need glasses.
Adding the selectables would surely increase the net value of that XJ....right? 😀 However, I'm with you on the cost thing. Sheesh, however, I've seeing why people endorse ARB so much. I believe I'll be starting with the compressor, followed by the front. The rear 9.25"....oh my that will be a different story/path.
FAM -- don't disturb your well placed locker for the model numbers...just yet.
5:26 am
ARB is doing this free diff matching cover upon purchase of an ARB locker before 12/31/11. I've seen on 4wheelparts its roughly $997. Seem like a good deal? Oh and this would just be for my front D44. So it would be the rd116.
Or anyone have experience with this price/distributor?
5:40 am
Club President
April 2, 2003
Offline No experience with them but 4-wheel parts will price match. However, before attempting a price match, I'd speak with Marc directly to get his best "club deal". If that doesn't beat the posted price, then bring up the price match. Marc's quite reasonable but also most of his club deals are quite a bit better than others' prices. Adiditionally, the labor prices I pay there are cheaper than anywhere around, especially if you let them pick the booking time (when they're slow) to get an even better labor price. Oh, they also stand behind anything they install including repairs, and are willing to refund the labor cost if something was wrong with the install. I've been very happy with them, their quality of work, and their overall prices.
6:18 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline I plan to regear and install ARBs in the new Jeep soon[ish]. I will definitely talk to Marc.
Off topic I know (the Posse way), but what gears should I get for 35s with an automatic? I was thinking 4.56. What's the carrier break for a 30 and a 44?
I used to wheel a lot. . .
6:30 am
January 27, 2011
Offline "JohnDF" wrote: I plan to regear and install ARBs in the new Jeep soon[ish]. I will definitely talk to Marc.
Off topic I know (the Posse way), but what gears should I get for 35s with an automatic? I was thinking 4.56. What's the carrier break for a 30 and a 44?
With my 33s, 4.56 will get me lower gearing than stock (3.55) with the 215s from the OEM. That said, I may still go with the 4.88s
Not sure about the D44, but the D30 break is at 3.55. 3.55 and higher (numerically lower) is the smaller carrier and over 3.55 is the larger.
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6:34 am
"JohnDF" wrote: I plan to regear and install ARBs in the new Jeep soon[ish]. I will definitely talk to Marc.
Off topic I know (the Posse way), but what gears should I get for 35s with an automatic? I was thinking 4.56. What's the carrier break for a 30 and a 44?
How soon is soon John? Maybe we could do a buddy order.
6:35 am
January 27, 2011
Offline "Wh1t3Nukle" wrote: ARB is doing this free diff matching cover upon purchase of an ARB locker before 12/31/11. I've seen on 4wheelparts its roughly $997. Seem like a good deal? Oh and this would just be for my front D44. So it would be the rd116.
Or anyone have experience with this price/distributor?
I'm hoping to be coming up with some $$$ here in the not to distant future as well. Let me know how you make out in your package.
I'd be re-gearing, automatic locker in the rear and MAYBE a selectable up front.
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6:52 am
Club Member
September 3, 2008
Offline "JohnDF" wrote: I plan to regear and install ARBs in the new Jeep soon[ish]. I will definitely talk to Marc.
Off topic I know (the Posse way), but what gears should I get for 35s with an automatic? I was thinking 4.56. What's the carrier break for a 30 and a 44?
I run 5.13s with an automatic and 37s. It's in a LJ but I like it. You can never be to low geared in my opinion. With that said, I'd hate to re-gear at a later date.
Um...what?
9:26 am
"JohnDF" wrote: I plan to regear and install ARBs in the new Jeep soon[ish]. I will definitely talk to Marc.
Off topic I know (the Posse way), but what gears should I get for 35s with an automatic? I was thinking 4.56. What's the carrier break for a 30 and a 44?
I run 4.88 with a 38% OD. A very easy and uneventful 70 mph cruise @ 2250 rpm. If you have a 5sp auto with 2 od's I'd drive it a while and note your rpm's and speed while going up the hills.
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