1:48 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
2:45 pm
January 27, 2011
"jsmorrow" wrote: [quote="JohnDF"]I plan to regear and install ARBs in the new Jeep soon[ish]. I will definitely talk to Marc.
Off topic I know (the Posse way), but what gears should I get for 35s with an automatic? I was thinking 4.56. What's the carrier break for a 30 and a 44?
I run 4.88 with a 38% OD. A very easy and uneventful 70 mph cruise @ 2250 rpm. If you have a 5sp auto with 2 od's I'd drive it a while and note your rpm's and speed while going up the hills.
According to the Engine RPM Calculator I downloaded (love the internet!), with my present configuration at 70MPH ...
3.55 - 1900RPM (I can't hold 4th gear on ANY kind of incline or headwind).
4.56 - 2450RPM
4.88 - 2600RPM
Compared to 2260RPM at 70MPH with stock 215 tires and 3.55 gearing.
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If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
7:50 pm
Yea,you could use some gears and maybe a tranny cooler if you go to 35's. You might want to find out a little more about your trans and converter. Does it have lockup and if so, 3rd and 4th, or just 4th. When I had a 700r4 behind my 4.0 it was easy because i could lock the converter at any time i wanted.I did a lot of fool'in around and testing with my current set up. Even wired in a lite from the converter so i knew for sure when it locked as opposed to when it was supposed to. Even used drive monitor to collect info for gearing choice. My target was 2250 rpm locked (65 ish) up in od going uphill. I still blew it by 150 rpm because I did not add enough weight of the crap I take when I go for an overnighter. Math is just that, it gives you a place to start. I was happy with 4.56's and 33's with the700r4. Just try to find something that you and your trans can live with. You can't always get what you want, like a 5.00 gearset in a dana 44.
8:19 pm
January 27, 2011
"jsmorrow" wrote: Yea,you could use some gears and maybe a tranny cooler if you go to 35's. You might want to find out a little more about your trans and converter. Does it have lockup and if so, 3rd and 4th, or just 4th. When I had a 700r4 behind my 4.0 it was easy because i could lock the converter at any time i wanted.I did a lot of fool'in around and testing with my current set up. Even wired in a lite from the converter so i knew for sure when it locked as opposed to when it was supposed to. Even used drive monitor to collect info for gearing choice. My target was 2250 rpm locked (65 ish) up in od going uphill. I still blew it by 150 rpm because I did not add enough weight of the crap I take when I go for an overnighter. Math is just that, it gives you a place to start. I was happy with 4.56's and 33's with the700r4. Just try to find something that you and your trans can live with. You can't always get what you want, like a 5.00 gearset in a dana 44.
Oh, for sure!
The XJ has the AW4 transmission. 3rd is 1.0 and 4th is 0.75 and both lock. There is info on the web to rewire the "black box" for the transmission so you can:
1 - Lock in any gear (1-4)
2 - Lock the converter (in or out) in any gear
3 - Over-ride that 1/2 gear lock that keeps you in 1st until reaching 5000RPM.
Transmission cooler is near the top of the list of "things to do".
As far as gearing, gears for the C8.25 I have in there jump from 4.10 up to 4.56 so the engine will be spinning a little faster than I wish, but I'll just keep it slowed down a bit. Also will have more grunt in 4-LO as a 4:1 X-fer case is WAY out on the horizon (if ever).
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If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
9:41 pm
If anything all i would do is put in a small LED to let you know when the converter is locked. Mine is very noticeable when it locks on the upshift( feels like another gear), not so much on the downshift. It just helps me adjust my driving when it's 100 plus outside. My cooler is a stand alone, and is stupid big. Even though I rarely see above 155 anywhere in the summertime, I would advise against it. It is much easier to keep fluid in "liveable" range by using the radiator and a Long Tru-Flow cooler. Sounds like 4.56's might work for you. With 33's you may be able to pull all but the steepest hills in OD. With 35's you will find yourself in 3rd gear, that's where Sue is at with no OD. She does well in the hills but is limited on downhills and flats by excess engine rpm.
1:49 pm
"TomD" wrote: I'm still trying to get my head around the $$$ of re-gearing to 4.56 and selectable locking front and rear. More than I paid for my XJ when I got it.
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Tom, If you look long enough you'll find someone like me that sells both built 44 axles in order to upgrade to 60/14bolt. i hade the rubicon lockers and chrom alloy axles with 4.88 gears and i sold both axles with the locker compressors and switches for $3000.
2:09 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
2:19 pm
January 27, 2011
I kick myself in the backside now ... a buddy was selling his 1991 3/4T Suburban a year ago that had D60 in the front and 14-bolt in the rear. :banghead:
Transmission was blown and I could have picked it up for $1500 and the cost of a tow to my house.
Of course, it would have been full width but I didn't think the "build-up bug" would bite me this hard. :dunno:
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If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
2:20 pm
January 27, 2011
2:55 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
7:20 pm
As far as the front axle goes I don't see a big difference in building a HP D30 and a LP D44 if done on factory housings. The upside to scoring a take out 44 with an ARB is that if or when you bend the housing you could re-use the arb and inners if you went to a HP 44 of the same width. With ours, if we used a cherokee 4 bolt caliper outer C we could re use all of our outer stuff too and have the stronger ford/chevy pre-loadable ball joint design and better angles to flip the tie rod. It won't happen, we need to be an inch wider than we are now on each side. If I had known Sue was going to get bit by the trail bug like she did I would never ever ever ever spend the money on the stock front axle like I did. When I did mine we test fit a solid hp 44 but just didn't have enough room between the rad,exhaust, and had front driveshaft/ tranny clearance issues, it only had 3.5" of lift on 33's and I did not want to go wider or higher. Now that it's higher and wider... I think you get the point. Have been looking/ gathering stuff for 2 hp d44's for a while now, Ill let you know if I find stuff you may want to use. If you by new axles I have became a big fan of the Superior Evo shafts. Killed 3 spicer axle joints this year and they took it in stride. I'm not brave enough for ctm's yet but just replaced with something a little stronger that are serviceable. If you end up with a jeep 44 just be sure the gears are set up WITHOUT the crush sleeve for the pinion preload. Anything with a crush sleeve is a 1 bump and done. It will happen at the worst time.
7:25 pm
Club President
April 2, 2003
8:54 pm
January 27, 2011
4:36 am
So Joe, would you still also say the same for the RAM D44 stock housing (my off road edition only came with a bit more flanging afaik in difference to non-offroad rams) should be left alone and go D60 upgrade?
I was thinking when I was closer to a D60 swap that my D44 with ARB would be desirable. Of course, I still don't plan to be has super duper capable like Path 88. Wouldn't mind being able to tackle Rubicon as the highest mark for myself.
9:56 am
The wall thickness of the tube would be the first thing i would look into, then if you have the two piece axle or not. I would think that the tube wall would be thicker than the TJ's. Being a fullsize with a fullsize body you are going to take some shots on the front axle. I don't know a lot about the front 44's in the 94 and up dodge's even though I owned one. I did have a friend at the dealership change the bias in the rear factory limited-slip. It worked well but chirped the tires on every turn on the street. Only on the con once with it and it was a b----h. 34's, std t case,3.92's no rockers and wayyyy too much power for the gearing. Somehow made it to the river and back without breaking any thing but i was real careful(took ALL day) cause I didn't want to scratch it. Never really wheeled it much as I had a V-8 CJ also. I did break a lot of rear studs until i replaced them all with some from dutchman. If Path had gears and some tires I'd go even more just to watch him. I see very few "streetable" fullsizes on the trail.
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