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Strawberry Trail Legal Activity

  1. Guest former user
    #128 Mar 2012, 7:58 PM

    Just a heads up: There's been a lot of activity over on the Pirate4x4 board in regards to some pending legal decisions that may impact Deer Valley and Strawberry. (possible temporary closures which could ultimately lead to permanent closures (worst case))



    http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... st14191700



    I'll be following along closely and try to have more info for our April meeting at 4Wheel Parts.

    This legal process has been going on for a number of years now so its difficult NOT to regurgitate old info as new, please feel free to chime in if you have any info.

  2. BKGM Jeepers President Joined: June 2003
    #228 Mar 2012, 8:34 PM

    Did you contact the USFS and ask for a status update from them directly?



    I think we need to step into the discussion with them and be prepared to demonstrate the committment we have provided to the trail over the past (nearly) 10 years...

    Kathleen and Brad
  3. Guest former user
    #328 Mar 2012, 8:55 PM
    "BKGM Jeepers" wrote: Did you contact the USFS and ask for a status update from them directly?

    I think we need to step into the discussion with them and be prepared to demonstrate the committment we have provided to the trail over the past (nearly) 10 years...



    I just read the thread for the first time this evening and was already planning to contact the USFS tomorrow morning to request the most recent update and status. The thread covers 38 trails possibly affected and heads off on multiple tangents. I'll step into the thread once I speak with the USFS tomorrow morning letting them know of our commitment to Strawberry and the work we've done in cooperation with the DOF over the years.



    All are welcome to chime in as well.

  4. BKGM Jeepers President Joined: June 2003
    #428 Mar 2012, 9:05 PM

    Sorry George. I have been in Salt Lake City the past few days and didn't do much on line so I wasn't paying attention to when this posted.



    Let me know what response you get from the USFS.



    Thanks...

    Kathleen and Brad
  5. Guest former user
    #528 Mar 2012, 9:13 PM

    No worries Brad! Salt Lake City, now there's a crazy town! πŸ˜› Glad you survived and are home safe...



    I'll give an update tomorrow.

  6. Guest former user
    #629 Mar 2012, 7:35 PM

    Thanks for keeping an eye on it. I've totally lost track of most of the land use stuff.

  7. Guest former user
    #72 Apr 2012, 8:17 AM

    Keep an eye out today: http://www.fs.usda.gov/alerts/eldorado/alerts-notices



    The Forestry Service is working towards posting a bulletin today (or in the next couple of days) concerning recent activities in regards to 42 trails in the Eldorado National forest. Any and all comments you read on other boards are purely speculative until we are able to read the official notice.

  8. Tom Subscriber
    #82 Apr 2012, 12:17 PM

    FYI: At the site that George references above, you can receive ALERTS from their RSS feed almost as soon as the site is updated update. The only lagging factor would be how often your system updates (mine is set at 30 minutes).



    This way, you don't need to keep one eye on work and the other on the website.

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    If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
  9. Guest former user
    #94 Apr 2012, 4:35 PM

    Here is a link to the notice just posted:



    http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/eldorado/ ... RDB5362068



    I'll be bringing more information to our meeting next week at 4Wheel Parts. Also, I spoke with Ranger Lester Lubetkin today. He has offered to come to our club meeting in May to dicuss the latest activities.

  10. Guest former user
    #104 Apr 2012, 5:57 PM

    Didn't look good. 😒

  11. Tom Subscriber
    #114 Apr 2012, 6:53 PM

    Well, that just sucks eggs.

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    If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading -- Lao Tzu
  12. Fred Subscriber
    #124 Apr 2012, 7:08 PM
    "Bender" wrote: Didn't look good. 😒



    x2 😈

  13. Josh Subscriber
    #134 Apr 2012, 9:41 PM

    Not good. I just got to know that trail.



    Another example of environmental overreach.

    Semper Fi
  14. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #145 Apr 2012, 6:35 AM

    The part that sucks the most is those are the best easy and moderate trails around. We would only be left with two trails to run; Rubicon and Fordyce. I see it as going to be more of a reason to 'pave' the Rubicon and over-crowd Fordyce.

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  15. Guest former user
    #155 Apr 2012, 7:26 AM
    "JohnDF" wrote: The part that sucks the most is those are the best easy and moderate trails around. We would only be left with two trails to run; Rubicon and Fordyce. I see it as going to be more of a reason to 'pave' the Rubicon and over-crowd Fordyce.



    The guys at FOTR (Friends of the Rubicon) are scrambling to figure out the best way to handle the expected influx of wheelers. The Forest Service is considering posting alternate OHV trails in neighboring forests on their website. The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City, or provide poker runs, things like that; anything to keep interest in the sport, yet relieve traffic on the few remaining local trails.



    There is optimism that these β€œhard” closures are just an interim measure until environmental impact studies can be completed and submitted, then reviewed by the judge and a new ruling is issued.

  16. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #165 Apr 2012, 7:49 AM

    They should already have enough environmental impact studies...This has been going on for years.

    Why don't they do an environmental impact study that compares Strawberry Creek Canyon Pass Trail with Interstate 80 😈

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  17. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #175 Apr 2012, 7:53 AM
    "gamfam" wrote: The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City

    This will be the only way to wheel in the future...Mark my words.

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  18. Gregulator Member Joined: February 2012
    #185 Apr 2012, 8:44 AM

    Time to sell the rig.

    Um...what?
  19. BKGM Jeepers President Joined: June 2003
    #195 Apr 2012, 9:04 AM

    So how many trails did the discuss opening at this meeting? Any discussion on exploring new trails that meet the environmental restrictions? If the "environmentalists" were truly that, wouldn't they be seeking solutions which meet the needs of everyone rather than their own agenda?



    There are actually lots of trails behind my cabin, and MANY that are overgrown becuase they were closed for several years and then re-opened. If we wanted to go cut back a bunch of brush we could make several fun and challenging trails re-usable. That would be a completely legitimate option given the fact that all they are doing is closing stuff currently.

    Kathleen and Brad
  20. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #205 Apr 2012, 9:38 AM
    "JohnDF" wrote: [quote="gamfam"]The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City

    This will be the only way to wheel in the future...Mark my words.

    Oh wait...Didn't they also close Frank Raines OHV Park?

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  21. Josh Subscriber
    #215 Apr 2012, 9:39 AM
    "JohnDF" wrote: [quote="gamfam"]The FS has also asked that local clubs look into hosting events out at Prairie City

    This will be the only way to wheel in the future...Mark my words.



    I for one John hope that you are wrong.



    If club members have not signed up with the California Association of 4WD Clubs Inc you should. This organization helps to fight for the little guy in Court on matters such as this.

    Semper Fi
  22. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #225 Apr 2012, 9:49 AM

    On a positive note...

    At least I can go fishing anytime or anywhere...Wait...Nope

    At least I can go hunting...Wait...Nope

    I can go shooting...Wait...Nope

    Spend money...



    There we go, we can spend a lot of money on our hobbies and generate a lot of tax revenue. We just can't use the equipment we purchase.



    So we can spend money on new guns...Wait...Nope

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  23. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #235 Apr 2012, 9:51 AM
    "Josh" wrote:
    If club members have not signed up with the California Association of 4WD Clubs Inc you should. This organization helps to fight for the little guy in Court on matters such as this.

    Don't get me started on Cal4Wheel...I'm in a bad enough mood as it is 😈

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  24. Guest former user
    #245 Apr 2012, 7:10 PM
    "JohnDF" wrote: [quote="Josh"]
    If club members have not signed up with the California Association of 4WD Clubs Inc you should. This organization helps to fight for the little guy in Court on matters such as this.

    Don't get me started on Cal4Wheel...I'm in a bad enough mood as it is 😈

    I'm with John on this one. Based on my personal experience I couldn't recommend Cal4Wheel to anyone. Times may have changed but they certainly haven't shown me they're worth the annual dues.

  25. Guest former user
    #255 Apr 2012, 10:03 PM

    If Cal 4 wheel isn't doing anything then I say we OCCUPY PLACERVILLE!!!!!!!!

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