7:53 pm
July 15, 2005
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You might want to find someone else to work on your jeep. Obviously something is not right on your jeep. I beat the crap out of my jeep and I have only worn out 4 bushing and 2 transmission mounts in 10 years, and never wore out a steering box and I'm on 40s
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8:01 pm
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April 2, 2003
Offline "RobD" wrote: You might want to find someone else to work on your jeep. Obviously something is not right on your jeep. I beat the crap out of my jeep and I have only worn out 4 bushing and 2 transmission mounts in 10 years, and never wore out a steering box and I'm on 40s
My steering box leaks, but hasn't failed. I have been filling it up with the AMSOIL stop leak and have gotten a long for three years.
Rob, do you have any pics you can post? I was looking for that water crossing shot and the tree shot. If possible could I get a hi-res set of all pics burned to a CD as well?
I think you have a point that the run produced no notable damage/breakage and it was a tough, 12 hours we spent on our vehicles.
8:09 pm
"RobD" wrote: It took us 30 minutes to get to the first river crossing!!!
I'm guessing the Joe/Sue/Cole/Larry run was less about speed and more about getting Cole some time behind the wheel since he's just recently started driving his own rig. 
<--- root beer for Cole. 
9:34 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline That's awesome that Cole drove that section of trail. Even that short, moderate section has been known to scare a few people away and cause serious damage. I think we have a good wheeler coming up. Nice job Cole. I'm glad you guys didn't attempt to cross the river. Unless you know the right path, things could get really ugly really quick.
I am still running my stock steering box that came with my Jeep. Never an issue except a very minor leak that started this year. It still turns my 38s without difficulty.
I've replaced my rear bushings twice in the last eaight years. I'm still on the original sets in the front. If these rear ones wear out, I'm going with heim joints as a replacement.
I think RE just started producing crappy stuff so they had a guarenteed replacement market. Their control arms bend, their track bars fold up like an accordian, their bushings wear out, their tiny little control arm bolts break, their springs wear out, their skid plate bends, and their brackets rip. Thank goodness I've slowly been upgrading all their stuff over the years. Their front radius arms are the only thing holding up worth a darn.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
10:12 pm
"Bender" wrote: [quote="RobD"]It took us 30 minutes to get to the first river crossing!!!
I'm guessing the Joe/Sue/Cole/Larry run was less about speed and more about getting Cole some time behind the wheel since he's just recently started driving his own rig. <--- root beer for Cole.
You are right. It was also about testing PSC's "fix" for the new style Visteon casting they are using. Mine is their older style which have had no problems but they can no longer get them "new". Rubicon claims to have come up with a bushing that will work in all of their "hourglass" arms. This includes the out of spec ones such as mine and Sue's. Was told last week if this didn't work for me they would build new arms with the retro-fit style full support bushing inserts. I hope the follow through. The tranny mount is a problem. Engine mounts are vertical bolt style and trans is TJ poly. The TJ mount looses every time. Every time I pull hard on something or wheel-hop in low the mount lets go, just the poly not the steel inserts. Need new design of mount to work with atlas and V-8. I don't like what Advanced has designed but may have to try it. We aired down proper and made good time on the way out. (for us)
10:17 pm
July 15, 2005
Offline I don't think I would blame their control arms, skid plates, springs, or track bars. Rubicon express never really designed them to be beat on them like we do. My rear control arms are built out of heavy wall DOM and I have bent both of them worse than my fronts that are RE. I beefed up my RE skid plate with 1/2 inch wall square tubing on all 4 sides and I have still managed to bend the crap out of it. If you hit any control arm or skid plate hard enough you are going to bend it regardless of what it was made with! I personally think their coil springs are some of the best out there for what we do with them...Their bushings are crap though!!! RE has beefed up their bolt sizes on all there new lift kits because people started breaking them because they were using their Jeeps beyond the original design. RE makes their lift kits for the weekend 4wheeler who wants a lift kit to get bigger tires. They never designed it as a hardcore rock crawler lift! Now don't get me wrong, I am not promoting RE, I do personally think there are better and stronger lift kit manufacturers out there, but RE does have some good stuff that I will continue to use.
"JohnDF" wrote:
I think RE just started producing crappy stuff so they had a guarenteed replacement market. Their control arms bend, their track bars fold up like an accordian, their bushings wear out, their tiny little control arm bolts break, their springs wear out, their skid plate bends, and their brackets rip. Thank goodness I've slowly been upgrading all their stuff over the years. Their front radius arms are the only thing holding up worth a darn.
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10:22 pm
July 15, 2005
Offline Correct me if I am reading wrong. The RE joints that are failing are the new style that go into the steel insert? Is the problem with yours due to the fact that the new RE bushing is slightly to small when put into your older butterfly design?
"jsmorrow" wrote: [quote="Bender"][quote="RobD"]It took us 30 minutes to get to the first river crossing!!!
I'm guessing the Joe/Sue/Cole/Larry run was less about speed and more about getting Cole some time behind the wheel since he's just recently started driving his own rig. <--- root beer for Cole.
You are right. It was also about testing PSC's "fix" for the new style Visteon casting they are using. Mine is their older style which have had no problems but they can no longer get them "new". Rubicon claims to have come up with a bushing that will work in all of their "hourglass" arms. This includes the out of spec ones such as mine and Sue's. Was told last week if this didn't work for me they would build new arms with the retro-fit style full support bushing inserts. I hope the follow through. The tranny mount is a problem. Engine mounts are vertical bolt style and trans is TJ poly. The TJ mount looses every time. Every time I pull hard on something or wheel-hop in low the mount lets go, just the poly not the steel inserts. Need new design of mount to work with atlas and V-8. I don't like what Advanced has designed but may have to try it. We aired down proper and made good time on the way out. (for us)
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11:13 pm
"RobD" wrote: Correct me if I am reading wrong. The RE joints that are failing are the new style that go into the steel insert? Is the problem with yours due to the fact that the new RE bushing is slightly to small when put into your older butterfly design?
I think so if I understand question. We both have the "crimped" style lower arms. I am told (justin @ rubicon) that Sue's are of the 1st gen and mine are of the 3rd gen with the butterfly bushing. Both of which are out of spec. Not enough crimp. They changed their spec again last year last year to a tighter crimp. Even so, I still have the problem of the bushings getting hot and welding themselfs to the arms and inserts and ripping . In my R&D with them we have tried diff materials and durameters,Lubes and insert shapes and sizes and torque settings but have found nothing that lasts more than 2 runs in my jeep. They have not tried new mold size. I informed them that their new mold was appx. 0.020 smaller than their old ones last spring when I started having constant problems. They were not going to remake the mold do to cost at that time. Sue says you can have the key pad code to the garage if you can fix green jeeps as well as white ones.You are right. It was also about testing PSC's "fix" for the new style Visteon casting they are using. Mine is their older style which have had no problems but they can no longer get them "new". Rubicon claims to have come up with a bushing that will work in all of their "hourglass" arms. This includes the out of spec ones such as mine and Sue's. Was told last week if this didn't work for me they would build new arms with the retro-fit style full support bushing inserts. I hope the follow through. The tranny mount is a problem. Engine mounts are vertical bolt style and trans is TJ poly. The TJ mount looses every time. Every time I pull hard on something or wheel-hop in low the mount lets go, just the poly not the steel inserts. Need new design of mount to work with atlas and V-8. I don't like what Advanced has designed but may have to try it. We aired down proper and made good time on the way out. (for us)
11:24 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline "RobD" wrote: They never designed it as a hardcore rock crawler lift!
That's all I'm saying. I guess I'm just tired of companies advertising their stuff as "hardcore." Then when they fall apart, they won't warranty it because it was "abused."
I used to wheel a lot. . .
11:41 pm
"JohnDF" wrote: [quote="RobD"] They never designed it as a hardcore rock crawler lift!
That's all I'm saying. I guess I'm just tired of companies advertising their stuff as "hardcore." Then when they fall apart, they won't warranty it because it was "abused."
I don't run any of their stuff because I am too hardcore and they don't make anything that fits. Mainly because I'm too hardcore though.
11:45 pm
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline "Bender" wrote: [quote="JohnDF"][quote="RobD"] They never designed it as a hardcore rock crawler lift!
That's all I'm saying. I guess I'm just tired of companies advertising their stuff as "hardcore." Then when they fall apart, they won't warranty it because it was "abused."
I don't run any of their stuff because I am too hardcore and they don't make anything that fits. Mainly because I'm too hardcore though.
Ya, you are much better of running Trail Gear stuff 
I used to wheel a lot. . .
11:51 pm
"JohnDF" wrote: [quote="Bender"]
I don't run any of their stuff because I am too hardcore and they don't make anything that fits. Mainly because I'm too hardcore though.
Ya, you are much better of running Trail Gear stuff
Come on...I haven't gotten much sleep lately...don't press that button.
12:52 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline "Bender" wrote: don't press that button.
Okay, I'll play nice
I used to wheel a lot. . .
2:35 am
July 15, 2005
Offline I found the air leak on my York Compressor. The oil filter where we knew it was leaking was in fact the problem. Not sure if it is a design flaw or just the high temperatures that the Jeep engine puts out, but the viewing tube on the oil filter canister for the york is detachable. There are 2 screws that hold the view tube on to the side of the oil filter. The screws that hold it on have an inner and outer "O" ring to seal the air. Mine over heated and the bottom seal failed. I found some bigger flat rubber seals that I used in place of the OEM seals that were in there. It is now holding air again.
Keane, you might want to get some spare seals for your oil filter and throw them in the glove box or have a plan to close off the hose that goes into the oil filter if the seals on your filter ever fail like mine. When my seals failed, my York would only maintain a pressure of 40 pounds while trying to air up. Took me about 4 or 5 minutes to get my 40's from 7.5 to 25..
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2:37 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline I'm glad it was an easy fix. I've heard it's hard to keep oil seperators working due to the temps.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
3:37 am
Good tip. Where did you get the seals? Any change you've got a part number?
I'm actually pretty disappointed in my filter. I had a small leak and ended up taking things apart and there was plenty of moisture/oil in the manifold. 😕
4:20 am
Is this how come you guys made it out so quick? Hopefully they'll put it back because this would sure change the trail. You guys had better plan that LS run sooner than later. 🙁
4:26 am
Club Member
July 10, 2003
Offline I saw that earlier. Looks like the paving of the Rubicon has begun. Like I said, this may be the last year to run the Little Sluice as an extreme obstacle.
I used to wheel a lot. . .
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