Skip to content

Rubicon vote

  1. Fred Subscriber
    #128 Jan 2010, 8:18 AM

    Does anyone else keep up with the FOTR mailing list? There was a El Dorado county board of supervisors public meeting Tuesday night to decide the fate of Rubicon. My understanding is they were voting on three options #1 was favored by the greenies, #3 was favored by FOTR and most 4x4 recreationalists. Sorry I don't know what the details of each of the options was, but you can probably find it on the Pirate board if you're interested. The board voted for an amended option 2. The amendment was to resize the rocks in Little Sluice. They're leaving it up to Tom Celio with DOT to determine a reasonable size for the rocks.

  2. Guest former user
    #228 Jan 2010, 9:33 AM

    Thanks for the update. I don't follow the email.

  3. BKGM Jeepers President Joined: June 2003
    #328 Jan 2010, 9:54 AM

    I no longer receive anything. I used to, but haven't got anything in about a year...

    Kathleen and Brad
  4. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #428 Jan 2010, 11:51 AM

    I say we resize the rocks...make them BIGGER 😁

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  5. RobD Subscriber
    #528 Jan 2010, 12:30 PM

    You can't keep up with me now, making them bigger would just leave you that much further back 😀 πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚





    "JohnDF" wrote: I say we resize the rocks...make them BIGGER 😁

    __________________ 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."- Ronald Reagan
  6. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #628 Jan 2010, 1:06 PM
    "RobD" wrote: You can't keep up with me now, making them bigger would just leave you that much further back 😀 πŸ˜‚

    From the guy that had to step up to 40" tires to finally make it through the Sluice...throw some 37s back on, run it, then talk smack πŸ˜‚

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  7. RobD Subscriber
    #728 Jan 2010, 4:30 PM

    I did do it on 37's. I just don't have any pictures to prove it πŸ˜€





    "JohnDF" wrote: [quote="RobD"]You can't keep up with me now, making them bigger would just leave you that much further back 😀 πŸ˜‚

    From the guy that had to step up to 40" tires to finally make it through the Sluice...throw some 37s back on, run it, then talk smack πŸ˜‚

    __________________ 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."- Ronald Reagan
  8. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #828 Jan 2010, 4:59 PM
    "RobD" wrote: I did do it on 37's. I just don't have any pictures to prove it πŸ˜€

    No picture...no proof...here's mine 😁

    Attached files

    I used to wheel a lot. . .
  9. RobD Subscriber
    #928 Jan 2010, 5:27 PM

    I have a picture just like that of me at the start of the LS..Just none after that of me on 37's πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚

    __________________ 'If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under."- Ronald Reagan
  10. Fred started this Subscriber
    #1029 Jan 2010, 6:01 AM

    Here's FOTR's press release regarding the vote,



    --------------------------------------------------------------------------



    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



    PRESS RELEASE: FOTR & RTF STILL COMMITTED AFTER BOS DECISION

    Volunteer Coalition and Non-Profit Reflect After County Board of

    Supervisors Vote



    Placerville, CA January 26, 2010: El Dorado County Board of

    Supervisors voted to formalize the alignment of the world-famous

    Rubicon Trail. This decision includes a handful of important bypasses

    around some of the more difficult sections of trail, providing trail

    users the option of taking a less difficult route around the toughest

    segments of trail. In a meeting which lasted well into the night, the

    Board of Supervisors heard arguments from county residents, off-

    highway vehicle enthusiasts, environmental activists, the U.S. Forest

    Service, and the State Parks OHV Division about how to best define the

    trail which winds through the scenic Sierra Nevada west of Lake Tahoe.



    The Board of Supervisors discussed options for addressing a Cleanup

    and Abatement Order (CAO) issued by the Central Valley Regional Water

    Quality Control Board. The DOT listed three options for consideration,

    ranging from establishing 1.) a single defined trail, 2.) a defined

    trail with bypasses around the most difficult sections, and 3.) a

    β€˜corridor’ option which would have included wide areas where specific

    trails might be defined. In the end, the Board of Supervisors chose

    the option of a single route with bypasses, which they felt provided

    the widest range of opportunities for public access while still

    addressing the CAO. Tom Celio, Director of DOT, stated that all

    options presented would be able to address the CAO.



    This County action formally recognizes the main alignment of the

    Rubicon Trail and a handful of alternate routes with multiple levels

    of difficulty near Devil’s Postpile, Forgotten Sluice, Little Sluice,

    Indian Trail, and the True Old Sluice. Selecting this middle option is

    a balance between recognizing a single trail and recognizing every

    existing alternate and bypass. "In reality we lost very little" said

    Scott Johnston, President of the Rubicon Trail Foundation, β€œWe are

    still committed to working with the County – this was a good step

    toward satisfying the Water Board’s CAO."



    In a frustrating last-minute twist which caught the public by

    surprise, the Board of Supervisors also voted to reduce the size of

    the largest rocks in the iconic Little Sluice Box, a signature section

    of Rubicon Trail near Spider Lake with high technical difficulty. This

    controversial proposal, was put forth by Supervisor Jack Sweeney after

    the public comments session was closed. β€œI and other members of our

    volunteer community were blind-sided by the discussion/decision to

    alter Little Sluice”, said Jacquelyne Bebe Theisen, Trail Boss for the

    Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR). β€œOur volunteers deserved the

    opportunity to discuss the alteration of Little Sluice with the Board

    of Supervisors – and we will. This is not over.”



    RTF and FOTR will work together to push the County Department of

    Transportation, to lead organizations, and agencies together to

    identify and employ non-explosive management techniques to minimize

    impacts at Little Sluice and still comply with the Board of

    Supervisors’ instructions. In the meantime, FOTR and RTF will continue

    to work with the County to mitigate concerns in the area by

    distributing WAG bags (for collecting human waste) and spill kits (for

    cleaning up fluids spilled by damaged vehicles); reaching out with

    education from the kiosks, providing roving trail patrol and mid-trail

    staff; and delivering internet-based education.



    On several occasions during the course of the meeting, the Board of

    Supervisors expressed how grateful they were for the incredible

    commitment of the (OHV) community who volunteer thousands of hours a

    year educating trail users, performing trail maintenance, and cleaning

    up and addressing sanitation issues.



    The volunteers of FOTR, Jeepers Jamboree, California Association of

    Four Wheel Drive Clubs, and many other local clubs and independents

    have worked together to maintaining Rubicon Trail for more than 50

    years. The joint efforts of the County, the Forest Service, the

    California OHV Division, and these volunteers provide an unprecedented

    example of a collaborative process that works, and are a shining

    example to land managers and user groups across the nation. β€œWe have

    to move forward, and keep our volunteers motivated. It's going to be a

    challenge, but we can and will succeed,” Theisen added, β€œWe are

    relieved that after ten years of discussing the issue of trail

    alignment with little action, the County has finally identified what

    routes they will maintain in conjunction with the Volunteers.”



    FOTR’s extensive volunteer coalition coordinates with RTF’s federally

    recognized non-profit organization, and with 8+ years of FOTR

    volunteerism and 5+ years of RTF fund-raising, we expect that the

    Rubicon Trail will continue to be an environmentally sound, viable,

    year-round trail accessible to the public for years to come. If you

    would like to help with our efforts, you can sign up for a Friends of

    the Rubicon work party at: www.FriendsoftheRubicon.com or send your

    tax deductible donations to: Rubicon Trail Foundation PO Box 2188

    Placerville, CA 95667. Donations may also be made with Paypal or major

    credit cards by calling 888-6RUBICON.



    More information is available at www.RubiconTrailFoundation.org and

    www.FriendsoftheRubicon.com



    # # #



    For more information on this topic, or to schedule an interview with a

    representative of RTF or FOTR, please e-mail Scott Johnston at

    [email protected] or Jacquelyne Bebe Theisen,

    Friends of the Rubicon Trail Boss and Volunteer Leader at

    [email protected]

  11. JohnDF Member Joined: July 2003
    #1129 Jan 2010, 6:15 AM

    That just shows that the Little Sluice is a major concern to them. I would have to slightly agree with it too. Running the Little Sluice is fun, but it is a pain on the weekends when there is a huge party going on. You have tons of people there all day long, no bathrooms, lots of drinking, it just makes for a potential problem. Why risk the whole trail for one obstacle? I hate to see anything get shut down or reduced though.



    Maybe Cal4Wheel should develop an easy-to-get-to Little Sluice obstacle somewhere. It could include parking and restrooms and would be easy to patrol. 😁

    I used to wheel a lot. . .

Sign in to post here.